秦刚大使接受美国NPR采访,强调台湾问题是中美之间最大的火药桶

秦刚大使接受美国全国公共广播电台（NPR）采访AmbassadorQinGangTakesanInterviewwithNPRMorningEdition1月27日，秦刚大使接受美国全国公共广播电台（NPR）“早间新闻”（MorningEdition）节目主持人英斯基普（SteveInskeep）采访，就北京冬奥会、中美关系、台湾问题、涉疆问题等回答提问。经该台编辑的采访部分内容于当地时间1月28日上午播出。OnJanuary27,2022,AmbassadorQinGanghadaninterviewwithNPRMorningEdition'sSteveInskeeponBeijingWinterOlympics,China-USrelationsandissuesrelatedtoXinjiangandTaiwan.PartoftheintervieweditedbyNPRwasairedonJanuary28.实录如下：Hereisthefulltranscriptoftheinterview:英斯基普：我想从北京冬奥会开始我们的采访。大家都知道这是中国第二次主办奥运会，第一次是2008年，从那时到现在发生了很多事。中国的国际地位有何变化？SteveInskeep:IwannabeginwiththeOlympics.ManypeoplewillknowofcoursethatthisisthesecondtimethatChina'shostedtheOlympics,andlasttimewas2008.Alothashappenedsince2008.HowisChina'splaceintheworlddifferent,ifatall,thanitwasin2008?秦大使：中国经济社会发展不断进步。2008年北京主办奥运会以来，中国发展更加繁荣，人民日子越过越好，全部人口实现脱贫。我们正走在实现共同富裕的征程上。中国国际地位显著提升，在维护世界和平、稳定、安全方面发挥更为重要的作用。中方正致力于同各国一道共建人类命运共同体。AmbassadorQin:Chinaisundergoingagreattransformationeconomicallyandsocially.Since2008whenBeijingheldthefirstOlympics,Chinaisbecomingmoreprosperous,andtheChinesepeoplearegettingbetteroff.Allofthepeoplehavebeenliftedoutofpoverty.Weareonacoursetowardscommonprosperity.AndChina'sstandingintheworldisgettingmoreimportantandprominent.Chinaisplayingamoreimportantroleinmaintainingpeace,stabilityandsecurity.Andweareworkingwithallofthelike-mindedcountriestobuildacommunitywithasharedfutureformankind.我们喜迎北京冬奥会，中国已经准备好了！所有场馆、场所、设施均已就绪，筹备运营工作都已到位，来自约90个国家的2000多名运动员摩拳擦掌。“防疫闭环”也已启动，为所有利益相关方提供防护。SowearenowwelcomingthearrivalofBeijingWinterOlympics.Beijingisready.Allthevenues,stadiums,facilitiesareinperfectconditions,andorganizingandoperatingworkiswellontheway.2,000athletesfromaround90countriesareready.Abigquarantineclosedloopisnowinplacetoprotectallthestakeholdersintheloopfrombeingcontaminated.北京冬奥会一大亮点就是绿色。我举两个例子，一是所有场馆使用绿色电能供应，二是我们使用先进技术制冰，碳排放趋近于零。北京准备好了。中方有信心兑现承诺，为世界呈上一场简约、安全、精彩的冬奥盛会。OneparticularhighlightoftheBeijingWinterOlympicsisbeinggreen.Justgiveyoutwoexamples.Allthestadiumsandvenueswillbesuppliedwithgreenenergy.Andweusethecutting-edgetechnologyofproducingicetoreducethe(carbondioxide)emissiontonearlyzero.SoBeijingisready.Soweareconfidenttodeliverastreamlined,safeandsplendidWinterOlympicsaswepromisedtotheworld.英斯基普：很多人会同意你的说法，中国在国际上作用更大了。但全球范围内对中国的看法也在改变。皮尤中心常年跟踪17个国家民意，2021年在这17国调查发现，多数人认为中国不尊重人民的个人自由，这在全球越来越成为共识。你怎么看这种转变？SteveInskeep:IthinkalotofpeoplewouldagreewithyouthatChinaisplayingalargerroleintheworldstage.Butthere'salsobeenachangeinopiniongloballyaboutChina.ThePewCentertracksthisin17differentcountries,theydoroutinepolls.Andin2021,aPewsurveyofthese17countriesfound—there'saheadlinethatIwrotedownhere—largemajoritiessayChinadoesnotrespectthepersonalfreedomsofitspeople,andmoreandmorepeoplearoundtheworldbelievethat.Whydoyouthinkthatopinionhaschanged?秦大使：这只是一家之辞。如果你想知道一个国家有没有自由和人权，那就得问问这个国家的人民。我也有两个数据，一个是哈佛大学肯尼迪学院民调显示，中国民众对政府的满意度超过90%。AmbassadorQin:It'saone-sidedobservation.Ifyouaskifpeoplehavefreedomandhumanrights,youneedtoaskthepeopleofthecountryitself.Icangiveyoutwofigures,mostrecentones.OneisthataccordingtoHarvardUniversity,KennedySchool,thesupportrateoftheChinesepeopletowardstheChinesegovernment...英斯基普：这是哈佛大学的民调吗？SteveInskeep:ThisisasurveydonebyHarvardthatyouhad?秦大使：是的，哈佛大学独立开展的民调，他们已经连续10年作这项调查了。另一个数字，也是最新的，全球最大公关公司之一爱德曼公司在中国进行了类似调查，结果是一样的。AmbassadorQin:Harvard,independently.(Sothesupportrate)is91%.ThisisthetenthyearthatKennedySchoolofHarvardUniversityconductedthiskindofsurveyindependently.Anotherfigure,whichisalsomostrecent.Edelman,oneofthelargestPRcompanies,conductedsimilarsurveyamongChinesepeople.Theresultisthesame.英斯基普：一些对中国抱有关切的人会问，既然中国政府的支持率如此之高，那为什么还要广泛使用人脸识别软件、互联网审查等手段来限制言论、有效控制民众呢?SteveInskeep:Ifthere'ssuchoverwhelmingsupportforthegovernment,somepeoplewhoareconcernedaboutChinawouldaskwhyisthereaneedforsuchwidespreadfacialrecognitionsoftware,Internetcensorshipandothermeanstolimitspeechandeffectivelycontrolthepeople?秦大使：这是一种误解。事实上，中国民众可以从互联网广泛获取信息。中国拥有世界上最多的互联网用户，网民超过10亿。人们每天都能从不同渠道获得信息，也可以评论和交换（看法）。AmbassadorQin:That'samisunderstanding.Actually,ChinesepeoplecanhavewideaccesstoinformationontheInternet.ThereareoveronebillionnetizensinChina,theworld’slargestnumberofInternetusers.Everydaypeoplecangetaccesstodifferentresourcesofinformation.Andtheycancommentandtheycanexchange.英斯基普：信息是很丰富，但要是争议话题就会很快消失。SteveInskeep:Thereisanenormousamountofinformation.Butifthere'sacontroversialtopic,itdisappearsfromtheInternet.秦大使：我们依据法律并基于公众利益管理互联网，一方面让人们获得不同信息，一方面也注重保护公众利益。AmbassadorQin:Well,IthinkthatweregulatetheInternetaccordingtolawandintheinterestsofthegeneralpublic.Ontheonehand,weletpeoplegetaccesstodifferentinformation.Ontheotherhand,webearinmindthegeneralinterestsofthepublic.英斯基普：网上对政府的批评不会持续太久就会消失吧？SteveInskeep:Criticismofthegovernmentdoesn'tlastverylongonline,right?Itgoesaway.秦大使：事实并非如此。政府有很多征求民众意见的渠道，包括接受民众批评。每项重大政策公布前都要征求民众意见，这其中会有批评和抱怨，政府会认真倾听并斟酌，如果有错误就会修正。AmbassadorQin:That'snottrue.Sothegovernmenthasmanychannelstosolicitopinionsfromthepeople,includingcriticism.Everymajorpolicy,beforeitispublished,ismadepublicforcomments.Amongthemarealsocriticismsandcomplaints.Thegovernmentlistenstoandconsidersthem,andcorrectsitifthereisanythingwrong.英斯基普：我刚才提到的中国形象变化，一部分原因同中国对西部维吾尔族的政策有关。美国（对冬奥会）的“外交抵制”也一定程度以此为据。NPR记者努力公平看待这个问题，他们到访了中国西部。我们也采访了一些中国境外的人。我们理解这是一项反恐政策，这就是引发关切的原因了。我们发现有人被关押，被迫放弃他们的语言、文化和宗教。你能解释一下为什么这项政策要走这么远吗?SteveInskeep:PartofthatchangeinChina'simagethatImentionedseemstohavetodowiththepolicytowardUyghursinWesternChina.AndtheUSdiplomaticboycottalsoseemsgroundedinpart.Iwanttomentionthatourcorrespondentshavetriedtoapproachthisfairly.NPRcorrespondentshavevisitedWesternChina.We'vealsointerviewedpeopleoutsideofChina.Weunderstandthatit'scastasananti-terrorismpolicyandthat'sarealconcern.Whatwehavefound,though,isthatpeopleareimprisoned,thattheyalsohavebeenpressedtoabandontheirlanguage,abandontheirculture,abandontheirreligion.Canyouexplainwhythepolicyneedstohavegonesofar?秦大使：这并不是新疆实际情况的真实写照。AmbassadorQin:That'snotatruerepresentationofwhathasbeenhappeninginXinjiang.英斯基普：我们记者看到的是这样。SteveInskeep:Itiswhatourcorrespondentshaveobserved.秦大使：这种谣言、谎言满天飞。实际情况是，维吾尔族人民同其他民族人民一样过着幸福的生活，享有中国宪法规定的各项权利和自由，他们是中华民族大家庭的一员。所谓的“种族灭绝”或“强迫劳动”是世纪谎言。根本就没有“种族灭绝”，有人用耸人听闻的指控来达到政治目的。我有两个数据，过去40多年里维吾尔族人口从约550万增长到1100多万，增长了一倍多，60年多来那里人均预期寿命由30岁提高到72岁。你见过这样的“种族灭绝”吗?AmbassadorQin:Therearefabrications,liesanddisinformationaround.Theactualconditions,Uyghurpeopleasotherethnicgroupsofpeople,theyenjoyhappylife.TheyenjoytherightsandfreedomguaranteedbytheConstitutionofChina.TheyareamemberofthebigfamilyofChinesenation.Theso-called“genocide”or“forcedlabor”,thesearebigliesofthecentury.There'snogenocideatall.Peopleusesensationalaccusationsforpoliticalpurposes.Igiveyoutwofigures.Overthepast40years,theUyghurpopulationrosefrom5.5millionto11million,morethandoubled.TheaveragelifeexpectancyofUyghurpeopleinthepast60yearshasincreasedfrom30to72.Sohaveyouseengenocideintheworldlikethis?英斯基普：那我们先不用“种族灭绝”这个词，来说说我们记者发现的，也就是人们被关押以及被要求放弃他们的语言和文化，这种情况存在吗？SteveInskeep:Let'ssetasidetheword“genocide”,though,andfocusonthethingsthatourcorrespondentshavefound:largenumbersofpeopleimprisoned,peopleencouragedtogiveuptheirlanguageandculture.Youacknowledgethosethingsornot?秦大使：一些人因犯法入狱，另一些人进了教培中心。AmbassadorQin:Youhavetomakeadistinctionbetweenpeoplebreakingthelawandbeingsenttoprisonandsomeotherpeoplebeingsenttothevocationaltrainingcenter.英斯基普：你指外界说的“集中营”吗?SteveInskeep:Youarereferringtowhatoutsiderscalledcamps?秦大使：对违法者、恐怖分子，他们的结局就是高墙铁丝网下的监狱。为了维护社会安全，必须将他们绳之以法。这不存在什么问题，这跟美国的情况一样。同时，极端思想是恐怖主义、分裂主义行为的背后驱动，对或多或少受到极端思想影响的人，我们再给他们一次机会。我们采取措施纠正他们的错误，这是预防性的。AmbassadorQin:Thosepeoplebreakingthelaw,theterrorists,ofcourse,thedestinationforthemisprisonswithbarbedwireandhighwalls.Tokeepthesocietysafe,wehavetobringthemtojustice.Thereisnoproblem,asyoudointheUnitedStates.Butforthosepeople,tosomeextent,moreorlessinfluencedbyextremistideas,whichisadrivingfactortomanypeopleinanyterroristandseparatistactivities,wegivethemachance.Weuseameasuretocorrectthem.It’swhatwecallapreventivemeasure.英斯基普：是在他们有恐怖主义想法之前阻止他们吗？SteveInskeep:Preventingthemfromhavingterroristthoughtsbeforetheyhavethem.秦大使：是预防性的。但不是每个维吾尔族人都被送到教培中心。我们发现一些人一定程度受到了极端思想影响，就在他们思想进一步极端化之前，把他们送到教培中心接受语言、法律教育和职业技能培训。这样他们毕业后就能找到一份薪水不错的体面工作，养活自己和家人，也不会去参与极端主义和分裂主义活动。AmbassadorQin:Thosepeople...noteveryUyghurwassenttotheschool.Butwhenwefoundsomepeople,asIsaidjustnow,moreorlessinfluencedbyextremistideas,beforetheyaregettingworse,wesendthemtotheschool,givingthemeducationonlanguageandlawandgivethemvocationaltraining,sothatwhentheyfinish,theycangetadecentjobwithagoodpay,sotheycansupportthemselvesandtheycansupporttheirfamilies,sotheywillnolongerbeengagedintoextremistandseparatistactivities.英斯基普：我对听众补充一下，中国非常多元，维吾尔族是众多少数民族中的一个，跟人口占多数的民族在很多方面都有所不同。那（对维吾尔族）采取政策的目标是同化吗？是要确保没有哪个民族因为同占多数的民族过于疏离或不同而构成威胁吗？SteveInskeep:Iwantpeopletoknow,iftheydon't,thatChinaisverydiversethatUyghursareoneofmanygroupswecouldlookat,whoaredifferentfromthemajorityofChinaindifferentways.Ispartofthegoalassimilation?Ensuringthatthereisnogroupthatissoseparateordifferentfromthelargepopulationofthecountrythatitposesathreat?秦大使：我们的政策是为了维护社会稳定和安全，确保各族人民共享和平安宁，免于恐惧仇恨。AmbassadorQin:Thegoalofthispolicyistomakethesocietystableandsafe,tomakepeoplewithoutfear,withouthate,thatpeoplefromallethnicgroupslivepeacefullyandcalmly.英斯基普：我想问一个有关台湾的问题，本周中国外长向美国国务卿布林肯提及这个问题。我提醒一下听众，美方承认只有一个中国，台湾是中国的一部分，当然目前存在两个政府。美方认为，台湾的未来应该由台湾人民决定。你同意吗?SteveInskeep:IwannaaskaboutTaiwan,whichissomethingthatyourForeignMinisterthisweekbroughtupwithSecretaryofStateAntonyBlinken.Ifpeopledon'tknow,IwanttoremindthemtheUnitedStateshasagreedwithChinathatthereisoneChina,thatTaiwanispartofChina.Atthemoment,ofcourse,therearetwogovernments.AndtheUnitedStateshasarguedthatTaiwan'sfutureshouldbedeterminedbytheTaiwanesepeople.Doyouagreewiththat?秦大使：不，我不同意。一个中国原则是中美关系的政治基础。中美建交时，美国承认世界上只有一个中国，海峡两岸同属一个中国，中华人民共和国政府是中国的唯一合法政府。这些都写入了奠定中美关系基础的三个联合公报。最近台海紧张局势升级，原因就是台湾当局妄图借美方支持鼓动谋求“台独”，而美方意在打“台湾牌”。AmbassadorQin:No.Idon'tagreewiththat.TheOne-ChinaprincipleisthemostimportantfoundationofChina-USrelationsinthepastdecades.WhentheUS-Chinadiplomatictieswereestablished,theUnitedStatesacknowledgedthatbothsidesoftheTaiwanStraitbelongtooneChina,there'sonlyoneChinaintheworld,thegovernmentofPeople'sRepublicofChinaisthesolelegalgovernmentrepresentingChina.ThisisastipulationinthethreeJointCommuniques,whichlaythefoundationofdiplomaticrelations.Butrecently,wehaveseentheescalationoftensioninthesituationacrosstheTaiwanStrait.ThisisbecausetheTaiwaneseauthorityistryingtoseekindependenceagendabyborrowingsupportandencouragementoftheUnitedStatesandtheUSisplayingTaiwancard.英斯基普：打“台湾牌”遏制中国吗？SteveInskeep:PlayingtheTaiwancardtocontainChina.秦大使：是的。这就是说，我们强调三个联合公报、讲一个中国原则，但美方正一步步背离其所作承诺，加强并提升与台湾官方往来，向台湾出售更先进的武器，派遣士兵赴台，大搞一个中国空心化。AmbassadorQin:TocontainChina.Whatdoesitmean?WetalkedaboutthethreeJointCommuniques.Wetalkedabouttheone-Chinaprinciple.TheUnitedStateshasbeenwalkingaway,bitbybit,fromthiscommitment,byincreasingofficiallinksandupgradingthem,bysellingmoreadvancedweaponrytoTaiwan,andbysendingsoldierslandingonTaiwan.Theone-ChinapolicyisbeinghollowedoutbytheUnitedStates.英斯基普：这就是中国外交部说美国没有信守承诺、对台湾太过友好的原因?SteveInskeep:IsthiswhatyourforeignministrymeansbysayingtheUnitedStatesfailingtokeepitscommitments,thattheUShassimplybeentoofriendlytoTaiwan?秦大使：我们注意到拜登总统有关美方不支持“台独”、希望台海保持和平稳定、坚持一个中国政策的表态，但迄今为止还没有看到美方做出遵守承诺的举动。AmbassadorQin:WehavetakennoticeofPresidentBiden’swordsthattheUnitedStatesdoesnotsupportTaiwanindependenceandtheUnitedStateswantstoseepeaceandstabilityacrosstheTaiwanStrait,theUnitedStateswilladheretoitsone-Chinapolicy,butsofarwehaven'tseenmanyactionstohonorhiswords.英斯基普：美国非常担心中国最终会通过军事手段来解决台湾问题。美国人有理由担心中国会进攻台湾吗?SteveInskeep:ThereismuchfearintheUnitedStatesofaneventualeffortbyChinatoresolvethismattermilitarily,toattackTaiwan.ShouldAmericansbeconcernedabouttheChineseattackonTaiwan?秦大使：海峡两岸都是中国人，我们是骨肉同胞。我们最不愿意做的就是骨肉相残，将以最大诚意，尽最大努力争取实现两岸和平统一，这最符合海峡两岸人民的利益、中美关系的利益以及地区和平稳定的利益。但台湾当局在美方撑腰打气下在“台独”路上越走越远。中方不承诺放弃使用非和平手段实现统一，是为阻遏“台独”势力，而不是针对台湾人民。AmbassadorQin:PeopleonbothsidesoftheTaiwanStraitareChinese.Wearecompatriots.Thelastthingwewilldoisfightwithourcompatriots.Wewilldoourutmostinthegreatestsinceritytoachieveapeacefulreunification,whichwebelieveisinthebestinterestsofpeopleacrosstheTaiwanStrait,inthebestinterestsofChina-USrelations,inthebestinterestsofpeaceandstabilityintheregion.ButasIsaidafewminutesago,thattheTaiwaneseauthorityiswalkingdowntheroadtowardsindependence,emboldenedbytheUnitedStates.SoChinawillnotcommittogivingupnon-peacefulmeansforreunification,becausethisisadeterrencetoseparatistforces,nottargetingTaiwanesepeople.我要特别强调，台湾问题是中美之间最大的火药桶。如果台湾当局在美方撑腰下持续推进“台独”，很可能将中美两个大国卷入军事冲突。中国不想和美国发生冲突对抗，美国也不想和中国打仗，所以不打仗、不冲突是中美之间的最大公约数。双方应共同阻遏“台独”势力，给和平一个机会，让和平胜出。Letmeemphasizethis.TheTaiwanissueisthebiggesttinderboxbetweenChinaandtheUnitedStates.IftheTaiwaneseauthority,emboldenedbytheUnitedStates,keepsgoingdowntheroadforindependence,itwouldmostlikelyinvolveChinaandtheUnitedStates,thetwobigcountries,inamilitaryconflict.ChinadoesnotwanttohaveconflictorconfrontationwiththeUnitedStates.TheUnitedStatesdoesnotwantwarwithChina.So,nowar,noconflictisthebiggestconsensusbetweenChinaandtheUnitedStates.Solet'sworktogethertocontaintheseparatistforcesofTaiwan,togivepeaceachance.Letpeaceprevail.英斯基普：接下来我的问题关于中美彼此认知。一个观点是，美国两党人士都说过，美方认为通过与中国接触、向中国开放、加强与中国的经济联系，中国会变得更加开放、民主，更符合国际规则。但现在两党中很多人觉得这一希望落空了，中国没有发生期望中的改变。这是美方观点，您是否认同？SteveInskeep:InthetimethatIhaveleft,Ambassador,IwannaaskaboutacoupleofnarrativesthatpeoplelayoutabouttheUnitedStatesandChinaandseewhatyouthinkofthem.OneisanAmericannarrative.AmericansinbothpoliticalpartieshavesaidinrecentyearsthattheUnitedStatesfeelsthatitreachedouttoChina,thatitencouragedtheopeningtoChina,thatitincreasedeconomictieswithChina,inthehopethatChinawouldchange,becomemoreopen,moredemocratic,moreinlinewiththerulesoftheworld.AndthereareAmericansinbothpoliticalpartieswhonowfeelthathasn'thappened,thatithasn'tworkedout.Thatisthenarrativehere.Doyouacceptanypartofthatstory?秦大使：想要改变中国的想法从一开始就是幻想。中华文明有五千年历史。中国是中国，美国是美国。美国不能指望按照自己的设想改变中国，反之亦然。中方无意改变或取代美国。两国都有各自的国内议程，都面临诸多挑战，都希望为人民提供更美好的生活。为什么双方不能一起合作呢？为什么总想着试图超越对方或遏制对方发展呢？AmbassadorQin:ForpeoplehavingthemindofchangingChina,fromtheverybeginning,it’sanillusion.Chinaisanationof5,000years’civilization.ChinaisChina.TheUnitedStatesistheUnitedStates.TheUnitedStatescannotexpecttochangeChinaatitswill,andviceversa.Wedon'thavetheintentiontochangetheUnitedStates.Wedon'thavetheintentiontoreplacetheUnitedStates.Bothcountrieshaveourownagendas.Bothcountrieshavechallengesathome.Bothcountrieswanttodeliverbetterlivestopeople.Sowhynotworktogether?Ratherthantryingtooutpaceeachotherortosuppresstheother’sdevelopment?英斯基普：你是说如果美国继续保持对华接触，中方还是不会改变？SteveInskeep:You'resayingthatifAmericaistocontinueitsengagementwithChina,Chinawillremainasitis?秦大使：中方一直主张与美方加强接触与合作。但正如你刚才所说，在美国，不同人有不同意见，最好还是让美国自己说。但中方确实认为，中国发展对美国是巨大机遇。AmbassadorQin:WehavealwaysadvocatedengagementandcooperationwiththeUnitedStates.Butpeople,asyousaidjustnow,inthiscountryhavealotofdifferentopinions.YouhadbetterlettheUnitedStatesspeakforitself.ButwedobelievethatChina'sdevelopmentisabigopportunityfortheUnitedStates.英斯基普：另一个观点是，美国是一个正在衰落的大国。你可以在世界各地找到持这样观点的人，包括美国人。中国领导主席是否也认为美国是一个正在衰落的大国？SteveInskeep:There'sanothernarrativeabouttheUnitedStates.TheideathatAmericaisagreatpowerthatisnowindecline.Youcanfindpeoplearoundtheworldwhosaythat,youcanfindAmericanswhowillsaythat.I'dlikepeopletoknow,iftheydon't,youhaveworkedcloselywithPresidentXi.Ifyouthinkabouthisviewoftheworld,doyouthinkthathebelievesAmericaisapowerindecline?秦大使：中国没有赌美国输。中国人包括领导人都认为，美国是世界上最重要的国家之一，中美关系是最重要的双边关系之一，中美关系只能搞好，不能搞坏。所以我们希望美国好。但问题在于，美国能否尊重和接受中国发展，视中国为维护和促进世界和平与繁荣的积极力量。美国是否相信，中国的发展将惠及所有国家，惠及美国人民、提供更多商机和就业机会。AmbassadorQin:NobodyinChinabetsagainstUnitedStates.EverybodyinChina,includingtheChineseleadership,believesthatUnitedStatesisoneofthemostimportantcountries.AndtherelationshipbetweenChinaandtheUnitedStatesisthemostimportantrelationship.Wemustworkwellandnotmessitup.WewishtheUnitedStateswell.Butthequestionis:cantheUnitedStatesrespectandacceptChina'sriseasapositiveforcetomaintainortofacilitateworldpeaceandprosperity?CantheUnitedStatesbelievethatChina'srisewillbenefitothercountries,benefitpeopleintheUnitedStatesandprovidemorebusinessopportunitiesandmorejobs?英斯基普：最后一个问题，你认为两国关系今后会面临更大困难吗？SteveInskeep:Andthefinalthing,doyouanticipateaperiodofgreaterdifficultybetweenthetwocountries?秦大使：我们正处在一个极具挑战性的时期。我来这里要做的，就是接触美国各界人士，告诉他们中国的意图和政策，当然是有关发展中美关系的善意和良策，同时也对各种观点持开放态度。我愿倾听意见，传递信息，努力推动改善两国关系。但前路曲折，两国正在（重新）认识彼此，寻找合适的相处之道。中方认为，发展好中美关系要坚持相互尊重、和平共处、合作共赢原则。这并不容易，也需要时间，会有很多困难。我的职责就是让前进的道路少些困苦、多些确定。AmbassadorQin:Weareataverychallengingtime.WhatI'mheretodoistoreachouttopeopleofallcommunitiesintheUnitedStates,tellthemChina'sintentionandpolicy—ofcourseagoodintentionandreasonablepolicyvis-a-visChina-USrelationship—and(be)open-mindedforallsortsofopinions.Iwanttolisten.Iwanttodeliver.AndIwanttohelpimprovetherelationship.Butlookingahead,it'sabumpyroad.Bothcountriesareintheprocessofrecognizingeachotherandfindinganappropriatewaytogetalongwitheachother.InChina'sbelief,wehopethatgoodrelationshipwillbeestablishedbasedontheprinciplesofmutualrespect,peacefulcoexistenceandwin-wincooperation.AsIsaid,it'snoteasy,anditwilltaketime.Therewillbealotofdifficulties.Myroleistomakethisroadhavelesspain,lessdifficultiesandmorecertainty.英斯基普：大使，很高兴与你对话。非常感谢。SteveInskeep:Ambassador,it'sbeenapleasuretalkingwithyou.Thankyousomuch.秦大使：感谢你的采访。AmbassadorQin:Thankyouforhavingme.推荐阅读：2021年领导人重要讲话资料整理2020年领导人重要讲话资料整理2019年领导人重要讲话资料整理【历年张璐口译】2020年总理记者会，张璐翻译的这些话真给力！公众号后台回复："政府工作报告"|"经济学人"|"资料"|"外交部金句"更多英汉注释政府报告：十九大完结19大词组及句子整理（百度网盘）2021政府工作报告完结@备考CATTI个人注释2020政府工作报告完结@备考CATTI个人注释2019政府工作报告完结@备考CATTI个人注释2018政府工作报告完结@备考CATTI个人注释2017政府工作报告完结@备考CATTI个人注释【中英对照全文】2019政府工作报告